Layout/gear list.

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For those interested, please find below Our layout/ gear list for our 20 footer due March 06.

20 foot. Front Queen bed Nth/sth. Off side kitchen and rear ensuite. 100mm wider. Rear washing machine under bench and a seat next to it for a hinged/sliding laptop PC computer box. A CD cupboard behind Ensuite over benchtop. Also a full height pantry on rear wall.Video in overhead cupboards above washer/seat. Rear nearside door. Near side cafe dinette, Two, two seaters facing. A full height cupboard behind dinette seat, in bed area. Steps extended to end of bed for shoe lockers. All batteries, charger, inverter under rear bed compartment. Three drawers and two cupboards in bed end. Privacy curtain. Three gas and one electric hot plate, gas oven and grille. 190 litre fridge, next to rear door, internally vented. Lemair washer. Microwave over fridge. Stereo CD player, 17 inch flat screen TV. Wineguard TV antenna. Three 125w solar panels, 3 batteries. 4 water tanks, 1 drinking plus 3.- Inverter + charger. Ali checker plate. 300mm drawbar extension + 1 Jerry can holder. Awning + Annex. Two large cargo doors. Webasco heater. + Air conditioning. Flickmixer taps. Remote HW switch.
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Reply By: Noosa Fox - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:55

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:55
Looks like you changed very little from the plans that you showed us when you came here. Did you stay with the AT35 or go for the pintel ring hitch?
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Follow Up By: Dunrootin Lodge - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 21:16

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 21:16
Haven't decided on the hitch yet, need to do some more homework. Judy and I are happy with the final layout. Thanks for your hospitality when we came over. Our discussions helped us make a few adjustments.
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Reply By: Freewheelers - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:01

Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:01
IAN & JUDY
Hi we picked up our 20 footer in june very similar layout we are very happy but one thing i would do next time is put in one extra large cargo hatch with the other as a large & lights on both sides in the cargo hatch & be very definite about there position

we also ordered an awning with annexe we changed the awning from the normal fold out to a roll out & are very pleased we did eg we went to aussie traveller to get our annexe fitted & at the same time another bt was there with traditional awning getting an annexe fitted in the time the other awning was unfolded we had dismantle our walls & folded every thing up & yhe fold out was still on the ground
we can deploy our awning & peg down the 2 front corners in 2 minutes flat& put it away in less time & its a one person operation to do this
erecting the awning walls is easier as a 2 person job but equivalent to the fold out type awning
whilst the arms of a roll out down the side of the van may be a little more vunerable the truth is that its the top roll of both roll out or fold out the is the most common damaged bit check with aussie traveller cheers

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Follow Up By: Tassietracker5 - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:43

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 07:43
Hi
We also changed one of the cargo doors to extra large and were glad we did so. On reflection, we would have upsized both. We also had lights in the cargo area, very handy.

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Reply By: Dunrootin Lodge - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:00

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:00
Hi Freewheelers, Thanks for the reply. What advantage does the Extra large cargo door have over large? From what we saw at the factory the large seems OK, and i'm not sure about losing a bedside drawer. I'm interested with your choice of awnings. The one thing we didn't get to see was the Aussie Travelor in operation. We currently have a rollout and it is easy to put up. However we are always concerned when the wind gets up, and inevatibly roll it back to closed possi. I would like to talk to Aussie travelor, do you have an E-mail address for them?
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Reply By: Freewheelers - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 03:34

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 03:34
ian & judy
re extra large hatch to maximise the storage& tie things off you will find you do an amount of climbing in & out of the hatch area (certainly the size encourages that) so a bigger hatch on one side( probably kerb side) would make life easier plus some of your bigger /awkward cargo in ( a honda 2.0 gennie needs to turn on the diagonal to get in a large door so i'm told) we intend to buy one of these soon
re awning if you have a roll out at the moment you will appreciate how easy they are to put up even for shade at an extended lunch stop no drama plus you can partially put up the other type takes around 10 minutes to get the awning up & its either up or down ive seen 2 demos by aussie traveller plus bti demo plus others plus you need a ladder plus the awning inevitably draps across the ground etc
both types are vunerable to wind gusts without walls so both need to be pegged down without the indeed A T have changed the design of the corner peg down for the fold out to a much more substantial system recently with far more convential pegging than the s s loop wire they had

give david (very helpful )at A T a ring if you look up thier web site you can get all the contact info
if you decide on a roll out we designed the walls ourselves ( with some input from ivan & angie plus tigntil ) & ended up with fly screen clear pvc & canvass to each door & window some fixed some velcrowed it was all new ground for aussie traveller ( when we picked up the annexe & test fitted the walls at the factory even the ladies who sewed them up came out to have a look & see how thier handy work fitted be happy to share if you want cheers
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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:43

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:43
I feel that I must make a comment on your statement ""both types are vunerable to wind gusts without walls so both need to be pegged down "", We have the Aussie Traveller Coolabar awning, and yes it does take a few minutes to set up, but once it is up and pegged down it does not flap or move around. While at Tamworth last year a strong wind came through camp while we were away, our awning was intact but the van next door with your type of awning had been ripped from the van.
On another occasion in Victoria, again while away from the van, trees had been blown down around the van, but no damage or movement to the awning. I am convinced that they are far more secure type of awning.

I know that I can go away from the van and not worry about the awning being blown around while away, but with the standard type awning fitted to most vans, I wouldn't like to leave them up while away from van in windy areas.

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Follow Up By: Freewheelers - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:09

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 23:09
Brian
regarding vunerable it works like this
for any roof that is basically flat (as these are) that the wind can get underneath then the wind exerts the same upward force regardless of the material its made from plastic canvas corriugated iron concrete etc the difference in uplift is the mass (weight) of the material that the roof is made from
ie upward force minus mass = uplift
the weight of the materials in the 2 awnings is similar so to say that both awnings are vunerable is more than reasonable
now if both awnings are pegged down then thier ability to resist uplift comes down to the strength of the material how well they are fixed to the van & how well they are pegged down
if you check with A T they will tell you that both awnings are vunerable without walls
im sure you peg your awning down & if you didnt then srong wind would wrap the awning up onto the van roof this is what ive seen with roll out when not pegged down ive yet to see an awning of any sort that ripped from the van but be still pegged into the ground & if it did happen then it was either a fantastic pegging job or a lousy awning installation job

A T also make an antiflap kit for roll out awnings which adds to the strength & holds the walls up & acts as weather flashing have a look at thier web site

they are both very good awnings the choice is personal but without wall they are both vunerable cheers

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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 02:38

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 02:38
Hi,
I think the strength of our type of awning in strong winds comes from the 4 support braces that go from the outside edge of the awning back to caravan, and if your awning has similar support braces then they would be the same and not flap at all. I think it is the flapping of the large expanse of the material forming the awning that causes the problems.
The van that had the awning ripped off beside us was a Jayco and it was ripped out of the ground as well as off the side of the caravan.
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Follow Up By: Kingy - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 04:03

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 04:03
And if you take that one step further, the fact that you do have the 4 supports in place tends to shape the awning more like a aircraft wing with it's flaps down and then you have force exerted downwards proportional to the hieght off the ground of the outside edge..Or something like that...
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Follow Up By: Freewheelers - Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 23:58

Thursday, Aug 11, 2005 at 23:58
kingy where did you get that from an aicraft wing is designed to produce up lift by changing airflow rates between the top & underside of a wing the difference in airflow gives a difference in pressure between the top & btm & hence uplift when you put the flaps up on a wing they equalise the pressure so that the motors & gravity drive the plane when the flaps are put down they act as a brake
if my memory serves me correctly the extra ribs across the roof that give the roof the shape are more drop in at each end rather than a structural fixing they are dsigned for down load rather than up load so they dont really help with uplift

look what im trying to get across is it doesnt matter how tough an awning is at some stage a wind will come along that will be stong enough to lift it up so if its attached to the van & not pegged down then the front of the awning will lift if you peg it down then the lift force is countered by the rope & pegs but pegs can & do pull out if you add walls then the wind force required to pull the pegs out needs to be much greater so going back to my original statement that both types are vunerable to wind gusts without walls etc
still holds dont be fooled that the coolabah is impregnable its a good strong but clumsy to erect awning
the rollout type with antiflap kits installed attaches to the van in 6 places & then you can add extra cross bars to shape the roof as the coolabah if you wish
i would expect that the BTI attachment to the van would be of equal strength regardless of awning type so if the pegging is the same & the framework of the awning is equal then its down to the strength of the material cheers
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Follow Up By: Kingy - Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 00:19

Friday, Aug 12, 2005 at 00:19
I think my plane was going backwards...lol...
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Reply By: Goodpal50 - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:58

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 06:58
We have an 18 footer with two extra large cargo doors and would not be without them. Our storage carries a generator, 15 HP outboard motor and fold up boat trailer ( in several pieces) as well as chairs, table etc.etc.. For the additional cost it is well worthwhile having the extra large doors as it gives you plenty of flexibility for the future. Also I recommend having lights in the cargo area.

We have a custom made space for the Abrolga sattelite dish under the bed. and two sets of drawers below this This restricts access to under the rest of the storage area so we use the access doors a lot. If you are having an abrolga storage then you need to be careful with where the batteries and inverter are placed. In our van the positioning results in an area being inaccessible so it is currently left empty. Next time we are going up through Queensland we are going to call in and get an extra internal door cut into one side of the bed.

We have the extended shoe lockers and are very pleased we put them in..

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Follow Up By: Freewheelers - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 22:36

Wednesday, Aug 10, 2005 at 22:36
hi agree with shoe lockers we had same installed cheers
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Reply By: Tassie Bushies - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 07:51

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 07:51
Beware of extended shoe lockers, if you are tall you may get a few bumps on the head before you learn to duck, thats why we don't have them.
The large cargo door or two, brilliant, & you don't lose drawer space, it is still there you just slide it open (if its not locked) to get greater access, although you can not wheel a little bulldog trailer through one, like I thought, because it is not wide enough by about 5 inches or so. If you want to spend a little bit more, think about a tap & maybe suction hose on the drawbar, & put two drain holes in the ensuite.Sorry about late reply just back from Copeton, do go next year, you are going to love this life.
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Reply By: Bushtracker Buck & Babe - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 08:38

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 08:38
Bowerbird, Bushtracker are now able to make the bedside drawers workable even with the extra large cargo doors. I was concerned about Ivan not having one but he said he would cope. When we went to pick up the van it was a lovely surprise that they had been able to work that one out. I think we have Jay and Jackie to thank for that idea.

The extended shoe lockers are a god-send and I actually had mine raised a few 50mm as I am vertically challenged.

We had the storage put in for the Abrolga under the bed but find we use it for storage of cans, packets etc and the Abrolga goes in the back of the Effie.

The rest of your layout sounds great although I know that people have had trouble with the full rear pantry as there could be a "tail wagging the dog" effect due to the extra weight down the back. But then others have had their fridges on the back wall so I would have thought that could be just as, or more, heavy.

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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 19:23

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 19:23
Isn't is amazing how active Cyclone Angie is now on her "New Job" Ha!
Amazing Socialist Goverments, LOL....

The new drawer system came about with our discovery of a rail system that would work. Thus, the drawers still have to be slid out of the way, but yes you can get drawers and extra large cargo doors now...

Don't come back to Oz without a good cowboy hat to suit yer handle "Cyclone Angie"
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