F250 Transmissions

Submitted: Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 23:20
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I'll toss in a comment here Steve, re the transmission.
I have met two F250/BT owners who have had a transmission failure.
Both parties tow large heavy units over 21', fully optioned and most probably VERY heavy.
Both of these owners were using a converter lock when the transmissions failed.

You will find that when the F250 is loaded up and towing a heavy trailer that you will get some transmission slip, (really converter slip), when the auto changes up a gear when a heavy foot is applied to the little pedal on the right.
This is more evident when starting on an uphill climb. (Unlike rice burners the Effie will actually change UP a gear on hills with all the power available.)
It will also occur when changing down a gear.

The effect is that the engine will rev past the required point, by between 200-300 revs, and then "slip" back to the required revs. Sometimes it is necessary to lift the right foot a little to stop the slip.
The slip is designed to soften the load on the transmission. Without it the impact on the tranny components could go beyond the design limits.

A little like what a driver does with a clutch when operating a manual. You let the clutch out as required by the load, hill, gear selected etc.
If you drop the clutch on a powerful vehicle you can break an axle, tranny output shaft or some other component.

Some owners do not like the slip affect and take steps to eliminate it.

To explain, the transmission oil pressure that controls the amount of slip in the converter is controlled by computer operated valves.
The computer that controls the valves tells them when to open, how far to open etc.
The computer assesses the load on the tranny and opens the valves appropriate to the conditions.
There are electronic overrides available that override the computer commands to these valves.
They are normally used for competition, not for towing.
The tranny is really snappy when using these devices, feels great, whacks between gear changes like a Ferrari.
Then it falls to bits.

Most of the aftermarket engine tuners like the Superchips have three power programs available.
The first is for heavy towing, gives more power, better economy, does not alter converter valve controls.
Second program gives more power again, modifies converter valve settings and you can only tow light trailers and not load up the truck.
Third program gives a frightening power upgrade, almost locks converter and you should only use it with a lightly loaded vehicle and definitely NO TRAILER.
An F250 7.3 with the 3rd stage of tune will smoke the tyres to the rims if that is what you want.

This is a rather simplistic explanation, not too technical but one that I hope most can understand.

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Reply By: Noosa Fox - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 23:53

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 23:53
We don't have any modifications to our F250 and have had no problems after 134,000 Km. I have often heard and seen the 200 -300 revs decrease when the transmission settles down after a down shift.
You explained it very well. Thanks.

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Reply By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 00:04

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 00:04
Hello Bob,

You are a Champion!

Thanks for the research on that one, it answers the mystery of why there have been a couple of failures reported..... Mind you, two out of 40 here on the BOG, and still only the same two out of 90 or 100 total towing Bushtrackers is not bad considering how hard some people are running them in soft going without upgrading oil and cooling capacity of the automatics. They are really running them outside of their design parameters when off-road with a big van giving it heaps...

I will still probably opt for the highest grade of synthetic oil to stand higher temperatures, and an additional oil cooler to take the heat load off the transmission; but this answers the inner trepidation that maybe it is the weakest link. It sounds like with everything, if you abuse it, you can break it if you try... But your report takes some of the worry out of it. There is no way I am going to hot rod it with a big van on the back in hard going...

Thanks for your comments, stg

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Reply By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 02:29

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 02:29
One more thing Bob,

Since you have had an Effie about the same vintage, would you suggest the stage 1 Chip up you were talking about? If it really improved fuel economy, it would pay for itself in short order...

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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:31

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:31
I thought you said in another posting that you were getting the F250 as a little runaround farm ute. It sound like you are going to rest the big Mack and go bush with the F250 towing the BT in future.

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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:35

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:35
Hello Brian,
No, can't see going anywhere without my horses... But if a chip gives better fuel economy yet, then it would not take long to make it pay for itself...

If the fuel economy is only when towing, I will probably not bother. As "Lil farm ute" will not likely tow my Bushtracker except out to the farm.......

I will probably always have the Mack for the long hauls... Nothing like it... Won't give you a ride, would spoil you... Ha!

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Reply By: Turist - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 04:05

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 04:05
Steve I "Re-Tuned" the F250 to the first stage with a Superchips Microtuner prior to the last trip.
Results were good, paid for the tuner.
Mileage without tuner was 24.4 litres per 100 Kl, average over 28,000 Kl.
With tuner set to stage #1 we got 22.2 litres per 100 Kl average over 24,000 Kl.
Best economy was 19.1 l/p/100K, wost 24.3 l/p/100K.
So on the last trip we saved 528 Lt of diesel and at an avge price of $1.27 that is a dollar saving of $670.00

The other reason for having the Superchips is that it will read the fault codes in the F truck, something most bush mechanics can not do.

Performance improvement was also very noticeable, truck much more responsive.

Can't remember exact price, less than $400.00 I think.
Import yourself from www.portadiesel.com.
Tell 'em Bob sent you.
And they will give a discount on list price if you ask.

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Follow Up By: Maximus - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:11

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:11
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Bob

The Ford Hitch obviously would do the job but the new Hayman reece job is built like a tank.
I had a Nissan Patrol Cab/Chassis before the Effie and whilst they are a very good vehicle, it always had its tongue hanging out. Plus it was too light.
I was getting around 20L+/100 pulling the same van, compared with 18.5L/100 with the F. Mind you at the end of the day a varience in consumption is minor compared with the comfort and control with the F.
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Reply By: Tristo - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:06

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:06
mate new to group I am looking for a BT 18 to tow i have had 2 F !@#@#% trucks for want of a better word and have nothing but dramas with both ! blown transmissions in both ! tried the lock up scenario and that just created more problems. I currently tow a 24 ft shark cat which weighs around 4 tonne loaded and a 100 series or a patrol ( have tried both towed just as well), do it easily !

my transmission dramas with these f trucks not to mention all the other electrical , blown diffs etc blown engine , turbo failure the list goes on ! . They would have to be the most overated bus on the market

I could not trust one on a serious trip , and ground clearance is an issue even with a lift kit as discovered.
The American built trucks with an allison transmission are bullet proof and the only way to go if you want to fork out the bucks for a direct import , I have looked at one recently with the 6lt diesel and allison tranny and it was like comparing a lada niva to a 100 series sahara , here's hoping ford bring tem to Aus.
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Follow Up By: Turist - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 17:48

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 17:48
A comment on this posting.
Allison transmissions are not used in any F trucks.
Allison is a General Motors company and obviously would not supply to a direct competitor.

A Patrol or Cruiser may be able to pull a 4 tonne trailer but it is not only totally irresponsible to do so it is also illegal.
Anyone that tows illegal loads like this has no respect for other road users.
Why would anyone use a converter lock when already experiencing transmission problems??

A lot of rhetoric in this posting, not much substance.
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Follow Up By: Tristo - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 19:39

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 19:39
mate looks like you have got your wires a little crossed here. No illegall towing taking place down here in the apple isle I had my truck upgraded and ADR checked for 4.5 tonne.

And yes the american made vehicles do run an allison transmission unlike the current vehicles imported into Australia. In response to your comment regarding lock up torque converters this was fitted to the 2nd transmission in my first truck. I had also installed a larger capacit oil cooler to attempt to alleviate the problem this did not reaLLY WORK EITHER!.

This process of trial and error was based over 2 vehchles over 4 years to no avail. I have a 79 series landcruiser ute that is towing the same boat and has been upgraded tyo do so from Hobart to strahan which involves some ssutained periods of load , and can quite often include snow and or ice and can not rate it more highly.

I have also had a f 250 xl 6 cyl manual and I will note that these are the pick of the fords . The only reason I got rid of it was because a large log changed its shape somewhat! , this vehicle had a few electrical problems like all F trucks particularily the electric pnuematic switch set up for 4wd but apart from tha was more trouble free than the auto's.
I have a number of collegues who abought f 250's for work vehicles ie to tow 3tonne loads day in day out and to date the only one still going out of about half a dozen is a manual.

As I have noted in my first post if they brought the AMERICAN VERSION in tomorow I would be at the dealership with my chequebook , you really owe it to yourself to drive one in lariot form if you get the opportunity.

When it comes down to it the Japanese engineered vehichles dollar for dollar are better enginnered and more reliable.
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Follow Up By: Turist - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 21:10

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 21:10
i am sure that all of us would be interested in the engineering that allowed you to obtain ADR approvals to tow 4.5 tonnes with a 100 series and a Patrol as you have stated.

Perhaps you will be kind enough to list the required modifications and the name of the certifying engineer.

And no, my wires have not got crossed.
I have driven both the F250 and F350 6.0 auto in the Lariat version and the King Ranch version both here and in the US.

The auto transmission IS NOT an Allison.
It is a Ford TorquShift 5 speed with grade braking, produced by Ford in a Ford owned factory.
Specifications are similar to Allisons 5 speed as used by Chevrolet but the dimensions of some components are much smaller, the output shaft diameter in particular.

And by the way, some details in your BOG application form are not correct, perhaps you would like to go to your "My Home" section and correct them.
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 22:54

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 22:54
Hello All,
FOR THE RECORD: My last Ford, an F-350, was a full import. It had the E4OD E for electronic shift, 4 for four speed OD with overdrive for the fifth speed. It was a match for the spare one that I bought here, also E4OD. NOT, definitely NOT an Allison (I wish)... A Ford transmission.

Point 2) To my understanding and research, very little was made in Brazil, a few things stamped Brazil for economic reasons promoting Brazil, but all complicated things like the Transmissions were shipped in... Brazil was pricipally cheap labour for assembly...

Now as to the bad rap on Fords, we have going on 100 Fords running Bushtrackers. There have only been a couple of failures. There have been many more failures in Toyotas for example, although the ratio is about the same as we have more Toyotas towing.

Toyota and Nissan, cannot legally tow 4.5 tonnes to my knowledge. If you had a connection to do it, the ADR would be worth a fortune as there are many overloaded horsefloats and big boats and such behind them that would love to be upgraded.. Please send us details, as there would be 500 in a line waiting for it... But I have not heard about it.

In all fairness as we are in contact with the 1000 towing, the failure rate in percentage terms, with Ford is not much difference to Toyota per say, only with a large van over 21' say, the Ford does it much safer and with better fuel economy..

Kind Regards to all from the Ranger...

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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:08

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:08
You are right on that one Steve.
Seems that Brazil is not much more than a CKD plant assembling US and Canadian produced components.
Engines (Diesel) are complete from International. The 7.3 is an International Navistar and the 6.0 is also an International Motor.
Gearboxes and diffs are also shipped complete from the US.

Story from the US is that Ford will release a new 6.4 Lt diesel with a new F series in September.
Don't hold your breath witing for the Aussie/Brazil/RHD version.

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Reply By: Maximus - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:13

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:13
I do not know if it of any interest or whether it really makes any difference to the debate, but I have an F250 Cab/chassis manual. I know it was not as heavy has the Bushtracker, but the van I had last year weighed in at
2500kg and over a trip of 16000K's I got 18.5L/100K.
No chip and travelled around 90-95K's/hour. If I wanted to really suck it up and travel 100+ K's/ hour, yep she would drink it up. I was very happy at that speed. Saw the country properly and I have always fiquired that it is better to be late than dead on time....
Obviously it will be interesting to see how she goes with the 21' Bushtracker.

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Follow Up By: Turist - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 18:00

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 18:00
Barrie from my experience you will get similar fuel consumption if you continue to use the same driving technique.
I travel "fully loaded", a heavy truck and a heavy van.
I am also a bit of a leadfoot, 100k when road conditions permit.
Other F truckers towing similar BT's to mine get better mileage but they also drive a bit slower.
But I am happy with the fuel consumption that I get when I hear what some of the rice burners are using when pulling the larger BT's.

The other big factor is the safety issue.
I originally pulled with a Patrol, (BT #1, 18',) one day the van took control of the tow vehicle, very frightening.
Never happened with the effie and the 20' BT, in total control of the rig at all times.

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Reply By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:24

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:24
All things considered, it would seem, that the extinction of the dinosaur ( read Ftruck) in Australia is imminent.
O Well
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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:37

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:37
Not a dinosaur
A Phoenix!

It will rise again as history has proven.

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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:26

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:26
Hello Panna Trackers,
I just put "my money where my mouth is", so to speak.... Heard of that saying? I just bought one, and few people would have as much contact with Ford Owners as the Ranger following about 100, and having owned one myself.. I study things more than most, and get reports more than most, from the 1000, more than most... My guess is that Insurance Companies are Lobbying the Government for a crackdown on all the overloaded rice grinders towing more than their limit in big horsefloats and boats and such.. And the crackdown in coming.. Already started in NSW with portable weigh bridges at the borders and other places...

This will push demand up. And I seriously doubt we will see the new Fords in the Country before end of 2007.. Already the second hand market for them is firming up. There is just nothing out there that can do the job as well. And disregarding the few negative voices out there, I can tell you that they are doing a great job overall. Far from becoming extinct? I think I will drive mine (Delivered here Monday) for the next couple of years for little change in value. Demand is already outstripping supply.

Far from going extinct, I think I just made a good investment.. I still own the 100 Series for around town car, no comparison... But for big van and a big trip, there is also no comparison, in the opposite direction. I will never go back to a Landcruiser, towing any van over 20', sort of pony in front of the beer wagon when it was made for a Clydesdale... The pony could do the job if you lit it on fire, but not as well, as efficiently, or as safely...

Yes the Chev is argueably better, maybe.... And yes the Dodge is better yet, maybe... But a Nationwide support system for the Fords and the same price as a Cruiser counts... The full imports are over $100,000. Ford looks good at $65-70k...

I will put four "Tora Tora Tora" Rising Sun battle flags down each mudguard of the Ford for every Toyota I have worn out... (Just kidding...) sort of... Had them on my last Ford for fun, Japanese Tourists loved it and took pictures... Ha!

Kind Regards from the Ranger....
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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 02:10

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 02:10
Steve you forgot the best bit, the bit that really gives you that "You Beaut" feeling.
Going past rice burners up hills, watching them dissapear in the rear view camera.
(Great big Ford grin attached) :-))

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Follow Up By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:09

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:09
Hi Bob
Yes you are right. You will get there first every time, but, as I have said before if it was our aim to get there as fast as posible we would not be towing a van.
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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:23

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:23
Ah Trevor, it,s not about getting there first.
It's all about going past rice burners. :-))

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Follow Up By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:14

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:14
Bob
Now, with all this talk of rice burners you are getting personal. Over here in the Pilbra where there is not a lot of tar for dinosaurs to trot on we refer to the Ftrucks as compost. Readly break down.
On a more serious note. The summer here has been the coolest and wettest we have had for a number of years and the place looks brilliant.
So any of you palaeontologist ( read Ftruck( read Dinosaur ) owners) would like to come over this way to discuss this issue now would be the time.
You can be sure I will tow you into the more rugged spots, but you must be prepared to share a couple of bottles of red for the assist.
Not sure I know how to be serious, but the chance to chat and share a couple of bottles with fellow Bushtrackers is hard to resist.
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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:27

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:27
Trevor, have you got a (polite) name for Chevys ?

Won't make WA this season, waiting for the new truck, so keep it green until next year.
And don't get bogged in the tar, might need a BIG U.S.A. TRUCK to get you out. :-)

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Follow Up By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:53

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:53
Sorry Bob
No Chevys over this way. Just 2 dinosaurs and an old Dodge Ram. Not a bad truck but still to see the dirt.
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Reply By: Noosa Fox - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:44

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:44
My understanding of the tow capacity of any vehicle is that it is the lesser of the Manufacturer's maximum or the manufacturer of the tow bar's maximum rating. With Patrols they have lower towing limits for Autos than they do with manuals, and you can only tow at the manufacturers rated maximum weight if you reduce the amount of load carried in the Patrol itself.

Even if you were able to get an Engineer to give you a larger towing capacity, it would be interesting going to Nissan or Toyota trying to make a warranty claim when you were exceeding their maximum ratings.

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Reply By: Tristo - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:50

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:50
re the upgrade have opened a can of worm s here ! i did not get a cruiser or patrol upgraded I was refering to my F 250 with upgraded dealer package.

What it comes down to is reliability and as a busness owner these vehichles don't stack up.
My first truck had just about every upgrade imaginable and still was plain unreliable. The second vehichle had exactly the same problems with the transmision and electrics coincidence? I think not. I realise to do any sort of touring with a van you are going to have t spend money on the vehichle to get it how you want but I decided to draw the line after spending way too much money on these vehichles. ( all of the above mods to transmissions engines etc etc)

The build quality is not there! , comparing it to a 100 series 79 series or a patrol they just offer a better value for money machine , and reliability. I fyou have any problems with Ford just see how they treat you on transmission no 3"??

There are alot of abalone divers inTas towing every day for a living that a pulling boats right up to 3.5t and over that are getting rid of these for japanese vehichles for exactly these reasons.

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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:59

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 00:59
OK, a misunderstanding with the Patrol & 100 series, BUT
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"I have a 79 series landcruiser ute that is towing the same boat and has been upgraded tyo do so from Hobart to strahan which involves some ssutained periods of load " end quote

Same questions, different vehicle, got some answers?
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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:24

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:24
"tristo"

In your personal details when you joined this group yesterday, you have given your name as Tristan Hubbard with a mobile phone number only, and that number has "1" number missing therefore making it an incomplete number.
You also stated above that you are a business owner and on registering said that you live at an address in Snug, Tasmania. Very few business owners have unlisted phone numbers.

There is no telephone listing for a T. Hubbard in that area of Tasmania and the person who does live at the address you have given has a different name to what you have given.

In the past when someone joins a forum with incorrect details and then straight away launches into criticising Bushtrackers, or in your case F250's, claiming to be an expert in the matter, it invariably turns out that everything that the person has said is false.

Your postings have been discussed by members of the BOG committee and unless you supply your correct cantact details, that can be verified by the committee, your membership of this forum will be terminated.

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Follow Up By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 02:09

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 02:09
Brian
Now if this guy was attacking Bushtrackers I would be the first to jump to there defence.
It is the F trucks he has a gripe with.
A little bit of healthy debate only creates intrest and no matter what the owners of F250s think they have there problems to.
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Reply By: Tristo - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:58

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:58
I joined this forum to find out more a bout the BT vans not to be interogated. My mobile number is 0439 65 2264 please feel free to call anytime.

As for your quick assumption of listing etc yes I have a private number and prefer to keep it that way. ( most logging contractors in this state prefer to do so) . You can google and telstra search me all you want but there will be no listing unless you want a couple of hundred thousand tonnes of woodchips.

People need to be aware of the limitations with these fords they have cost me alot of money in real terms not to mention down time. I know that I would not want to be stuck half way up Cape york or across the Tanami waiting for FORD TO GET ME A REPLACEMENT TRANNY IN 4 WEEKS MINIMUM , surely you can accept this fact.

As for towing my boat with a 79 series I do it with minimal fuel in order to keep it to 3.5 Tonne. It will tow it easily with the additional 600 litres of fuel etc but keep within the law down here. This is not realy an issue anyway with triaxle trailer with brakes all around.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:53

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:53
Boy!!!!!
I can understand getting edgy about someone coming on here an bagging BT's as the competition would love to do just that. This fellas only talking about F250's, and believe it or not I too have heard several gripes re the F250's and the auto in particlular. I was treated with a similar sensitivity when I brought it up on the BOG a while back, so left it alone. I figure anyone seriously researching the purchase of one of these vehicles will surely search places other than here anyway. I can't think of any possible motivation someone would have to bother coming onto a very small forum, and make up detailed stories about failures etc?

I doubt you'll have to "terminate" Tristo, I doubt he'll be back to post again with a reception like this. Then again he could be what you think he is and I'll have to eat my words but I doubt it. I've been a member of several forums within varyed fields for a while now and can usually spot the tossers and this guy doesn't seem like one.

I agree totally with Panna Tracker's, nothing wrong with a good discussion. I think the more contributers the better so why not give him a go.

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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 05:15

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 05:15
Hi Matt.
I am afraid that the phrasing used in Tristo's postings led to the later distrust of his info.
If some info is patently wrong then the rest is bound to be suspect

"I currently tow a 24 ft shark cat which weighs around 4 tonne loaded and a 100 series or a patrol ( have tried both towed just as well), do it easily !"
Reads like it's OK to do it.

"No illegall towing taking place down here in the apple isle I had my truck upgraded and ADR checked for 4.5 tonne."
The thread context led me and others to believe that patrols and 100 series were upgraded to 4.5 tonne.

"And yes the american made vehicles do run an allison transmission unlike the current vehicles imported into Australia."
An incorrect statement given with an air of authority. Those that do not know otherwise will take it as fact.

"I have a 79 series landcruiser ute that is towing the same boat and has been upgraded"
The context of the thread leads one to think that the 79 has been upgraded to 4.5 tonne.

So the reception may have semed to be strong but the initial posting was abrupt and abrasive.
Other posts followed the lead.

I am sure that if Tristo was to give a reasoned and sensible explanation of his experience instead of coming on with the biggest bag session on F trucks that I have seen then he would have a better reception.

If you go in swinging punches then you'r going to get hit. (Old BT proverb)

And by the way, my F truck has been sold so I suppose I can say that I am on neutral ground now.
Just don't try bagging Chevy's though. :-)

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Reply By: Tristo - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 05:27

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 05:27
Well I actually wanted to find out some info regarding 18 ft vans before I took the bait on transmissions. Anyone out there a ford dealer ? , whether you choose to beleiveme or not is your perogative , I am however speaking from experience and these vehicles have left a very bad taste in my mouth! , not to mention quite a few others I know/..

for the record me truck is still on carsales but has been sold and I was happy to let it go for 60 K with low kms and plenty of extra's. I will add it had 1 transmission in that time. The guy who I sold it to came down from NSW to drive it back, to his dismay on the return trip it blew the seals out of the tranny sprayed oil all over the show = ANOTHER TRANSMISSION,

ANY WAY I just want to know if anyone out there can give me some indication of an 18ft van fully laden weight ( round figure ) I am working on about 2.7 tonne ??
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Follow Up By: Turist - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:22

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:22
Steve will give a more defineitive answer I'm sure but my BT #1, an 18' mode,l had a tare of 2260 KG.
This was an ensuite model with everything.

Add to that water, 85 lt per tank, most have 3 or 4 tanks plus whatever else you think that you will carry.
Most seem to gather together about 300-350 Kg of odds and ends.

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Follow Up By: Panna Trackers - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 09:03

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 09:03
Tristo
We have a 20ft with just the minimum of gear. Nothing fancy just what you need to go bush. We weigh out at just over 3 tonne and the 79 series Cruiser truck does it easly. The vans are great.
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Reply By: Tristo - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:42

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:42
Well it looks like my calculation of 3 t for a 18 ft van and gear for 2 adults and a small child is not far off the mark better to be on the safe side. I suppose I bettrer hurry up and order one or get a geed 2nd hand one , I want something that is going to last .
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Reply By: bluey - Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:32

Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:32
Well guys i have been looking for a 250 and planned to buy one after i finish my house renovations.
But i must say after reading about the apparent auto problems i may have to look at a chev correct me if i am wrong but is the allison auto better??
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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 at 22:20

Saturday, Feb 11, 2006 at 22:20
You won't get a nation wide dealership or warranty with an imported Chevy or Dodge like you do with the Ford.
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