TIP # 143 Imporant Superior Synthetic ATF Now Availble, Just Upgraded...

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This oil comes HIGHLY Recommended from Performance Forums in the United States, and has now just been upgraded, infact I just got the new Bulletin before its release to the Public. It is Synthetic ATF from Amsoil, highly regarded oil solutions for high performance engines and transmissions.

They have been actively recommended on many performance diesel type Forums, as one of the top oils in the world for extreme conditions; upgraded by Amsoil to the following qualifications:
• GM DEXRON® II, III & VI
• Ford MERCON®, MERCON® V & SP
• Chrysler ATF+ through ATF+4®
• Honda Z-1 (Not for use in CVT transmissions)
• Toyota Type T and T-IV
• Mitsubishi/Hyundai Diamond SP II & III
• Allison C-3, C-4
• Caterpillar TO-2
• Voith G607, G1363
• ZF TE-ML 14A, 14B & 14C
• Mercedes Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9
• BMW 7045E
• NAG 1 & 2
• JWS 3309
• LT 71141 (ESSO)
• Nissan Matic D, J & K
• Vickers I-286S & M-2950S
Excellent for power steering units that use ATF.
And here is the Technical Bulletin to Amsoil Distributors that is about to be released to the Public (email address below). I just got it last week from an inside source, as I have been searching for the highest grade synthetic for all of your automatic transmissions in hard going. Particularly as my Ford recommended Mercon SP for what is proving to be one of the best transmissions in hard service in the world, the 5R110 Torque Shift new Ford Transmission out in the Full American Imports the last three years… This Mercon SP is not available readily in Australia. And so this is a new upgrade for the Amsoil Synthetic ATF, inside Contact from Amsoil through one of the Forums that sent it to the lone Ranger in Oz…

The old standby synthetic of Castrol Transmax Z, is outperformed by this Amsoil Synthetic ATF and the Castrol was not certified for the 5R110 Transmission anyway. Performance Forums did not like the Castrol Transmax Z, claiming it was not a full Synthetic as advertised, but recommend this as the best. Just about all automatics should run this Synthetic for hard going in the heat towing, particularly the Australian Fords with the 4R100, they definitely should run Synthetic per my Postings on the Subject….

Here is the latest data sheet just sent out to Distributors:
https:// www.amsoil.com/storefront/atf.aspx

Your Automatic Transmission will love you for it… YES it is expensive, about $300 for 20 litres, BUT 2 Things to keep in mind…

1) Longer Service life in that they are saying 50,000 miles in Extreme Service (towing) and 100,000 normal… That longer Service life cuts down the costs a bit… I would possibly not do the 80,000 kms for Extreme Service as they quote, but it you did double the recommended Ford service of 30,000 kms in Extreme out to 60,000 kms, the cost is not so high…
2) Yea, it is expensive, but what about dumping a transmission in Woop Woop? Towing, and full transmission rebuild??? I can assure you the oil will look REAL CHEAP!!! The last severe duty transmission kit cost me $2500 alone, plus the rebuild..!

Money no object and love your truck??? Particularly all Chevs, all Fords and such: Use the Amsoil and about half the Extreme Service recommendation in towing a large van in the Outback, maybe do it at 40,000 kms changes, which is what I will do…. That is my own choice....

Distributor:
A1 Oils - Synthetic Lubrication Specialists
ABN: 861 359 519 61
PO Box 7007
Broken Hill, NSW 2880
AUSTRALIA Phone: 08 8087 7890
Mobile: 0427 269645
Fax: 08 8087 8408
info@a1oils.com.au

Local Distributor on the Sunshine Coast…. No answer as yet, but 07 5448-5953

Regards from the Ranger, always on the trail…. Trying to do it better full time…

Semper Fidelis
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Reply By: Black Cobra - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 14:19

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 14:19
Steve,

Geez I thought Castol Transmax Z at $285 for 20 litres was expensive. Have or do you know about the fitment of larger transmission sumps that hold a greater volume of transmission oil. The reason I am asking is that I was in at my transmission guy before I came back over here and he had two F250's in there being fitted with extra tranny cooler and a larger transmission sump they get from America.

It is a nice looking sump that is built out of a strong alloy and has ribbed fins on it that assists in cooling also. It holds and extra 5-6 litres of oil, I think he said, might even be 10, so this would take the total tranny oil fill to 21.7 - 22.7 litres (that will sure take care of a 20 litre drum, won't have to worry about having any left over lol!)

It also has the place for the sender for a tranny temp gauge to be fitted which is a lot more sturdy than if you had to get the original alluminium sump drilled to fit the gauge sender.

My truck has just come out of the workshop after having the bigger 3 1/2" dump pipe and 4" exhaust all in stainless steel fitted together with three Autometer gauges from the US of A inbuilt into the dash for EGT, Trans Temp, and Boost so the next step is the tranny cooler and larger sump.

The reason I was thinking of going for the larger sump is that it will probably cost me just as much to have the original tranny sump removed (and a service at the same time ready for the BT pick up trip soooooooooooooon, yeah) and drilled for the sender as being of a more flimsy design would have to be re enforced.

Have you heard of any reports re these larger tranny sumps that you know off and of there benefits in regards to extra cooling as all these things will help towards the transmission being looked after and lasting for a long time just like the BT.

Cheers
Stewart
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:22

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:22
Hello Stewart,

Having studied the Engineering is great depth for over a year, the conclusions are quite clear. The strongest point of your truck is the 7.3 PSD, one of the longest lasting toughest engines out there. The weakest point if you do BIG WORK IN THE HEAT, is obviously the 4R100 Transmission. The big work, in rough going like soft sand towing in the heat, is the killer per my other Postings on the subject. For other Owners benefits as well, I will give some Priorities to the upgrades possible.

1) Obvious First Place Priority, is the switch to Synthetic, and Castrol Transmax Z will do just fine. But from reports, the tiny fraction more cost but increased Service Length, means the Amsoil may be better value. I have no choice with the newer style transmission, out in American since 2003.

2) Protection by monitoring with a Transmission Temperature Gauge solves most issues, as you only drive to a temperature. With # 1 and 2 above, I have not heard of anyone with transmission failures, IF you drive to a temperature that you do not exceed in the very worst going.

3) Additional cooling seems to be the next step, and the most effective way is purchase a larger oil cooler. Many have bought the new 5R110 transmission cooler for the 6.0 litre off Ebay or out of wrecking yards. This transmission cooler is maybe three times the effectiveness of the 4R100 cooler you have, and is a common choice. Or, many People have bought one of the many aftermarket coolers available... Ford have done these things as stock since 2003 in the full Import ones..

4) At DPP, Discount Power Parts, Larry or Peter, have shipped me many upgrade goodies for my truck, AFE, Pro-Comp, and the rest, and they have an additional inexpensive in line cooler for something like $60 US plus shipping. I am going to have a look at it with the thinking that it could be an addition cooler and an inexpensive way out for trucks like yours.

5) Last Priority in line, in my mind, is the larger pan. I am of two minds about it. Hanging down further does not impress, and larger capacity? Once it heats up the total volume, is that really an advantage except maybe for longer service life of the oil? Cooling fins? Nothing like the fine cooling fins of an oil cooler which equate to MASSIVE AREA.. Stewart, while I have posed the question on the Forums and considered it myself, I am not overly excited about the larger pan. IT CANNOT HURT, but I am just not sure how effective it is compared to the rest. I will say, right now I am stuck in neutral on that one.... I have not been motivated to get one myself so far...

AS TO THE SENDER UNIT: Goes right in the main block of the 4R100 transmission already, I believe there is a plug for the sender there right now. I will try and find the picture for you, but the 4R100 is ready for it, don't have to mess with a pan.... From memory the plug is on the right (Our Drivers side) just above the pan, but I will find the picture..

Regards, Ranger
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:51

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:51
Stewart, and all Boggers with Fords,

Here is the picture of the Sending Unit location, just above the pan..... Courtesy of one of the Forums I frequent on truck engineering...

Site Link

Best Regards to all, Ranger
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:53

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 18:53
And I stand corrected, from memory it was our Drivers side, but I have not looked for a while... It is on the Left, our Passenger side, Their Drivers side... No need to modify the pan Stewart. Regards, Ranger
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Reply By: njthommo - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 19:55

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 19:55
Steve

Having replaced the transmission oil cooler on our F350 with one from a 6 litre superduty some months ago I can verify that that mod drops the oil temp by about 40F. Was running at 220F on steep hills but is now back at 180Fon the same track.

Hope this is of interest

Nick
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:33

Tuesday, Jan 16, 2007 at 20:33
Thank you Nick,
That report is about in line with the reports I get out of the US Forums... Also I hear you can use the Ford V-10 Petrol engine tranmission one, which may even be the same unit, but advertised on EBAY as for the V-10. And yeah, 220 is getting up there in the scary zone a bit.

I hope you are running full Synthetic as well...
Regards, Ranger
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Follow Up By: Black Cobra - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 17:25

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 17:25
Nick,

I noticed that you are talking degrees in F, obviously you have gauges and I have just noticed by photos of the gauges just fitted to my truck it is in F as well. I am now asking my guy who installed them why he didn't get the gauges in celcius when ordered from America.

Did you have this problem or did it not worry you.

Cheers
Stewart
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Reply By: Black Cobra - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 17:30

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 17:30
Steve,

Thanks for the info it was most helpful and much appreciated, you have just saved me a few dollars as I have just instructed my tranny guy not to order the larger pan as I too was concerned with the extra depth for off road even though it is only just over 6" deep.

With the extra cooler and gauge I think it will look after the tranny pretty well.

Cheers
Stewart
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 19:49

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 19:49
Don't get me wrong Stewart, it is still an advantage.... When I said I was neutral on it I meant neither for or against... It was just lower on the priority scale for me... OK?

I certainly do not want anyone to think I am against it. The pan drop might be so little as to amount to Nil affect. It is just that the other upgrades are further up my list on priorities.. Money no object? Pan not that much lower? It has to be an advantage...

And keep your head down over there... I think it is a NO WIN situation, as it appears they cannot Partition the country into Ethnic Regions like they should, because of the problem of one Party with Iranian influences and aid. Look over your shoulder, as I think they are just buying time in a deteriorating situation of "Blood Feud" between the Sects.. Stay Safe Stewart.. Ranger
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Reply By: njthommo - Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 19:21

Wednesday, Jan 17, 2007 at 19:21
Stewart,

As all the temperature information on thedieselstop.com forum I use is in F I felt more comfortable with that rather than doing conversions. They recommend 1240F as max for EGT and 242F max for the transmission with mineral oil. I was getting close, worried me a little so that is why I went down the oil cooler, synthetic path.

Regards,
Nick
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Follow Up By: Black Cobra - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 13:28

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 13:28
Nick,

Thanks for the temp reading as this will help to monitor the gauges. Just out of courosity do you or anyone esle for that matter know the correct formula for converting C to F.

I use whatever the C reading is, double it and then add 30 degrees thats if I remember from the past when we changed over. The readings I have obtained from somewhere for EGT temps were if the sender was pre turbo, 712C and after turbo 520C. Most people fit it after turbo as it is easier and if you have to drill the exhaust for the sender then you don't have to worry about metal filings getting into the turbo if it is not done correctly. Where have you had your sender fitted Nick?

Now using my method 712C = 1470F and 520C = 1070F so do you know if the 1240F reading you have is pre turbo or after turbo as it is nearly smack dead in the middle of my conversion.

Now the Ford manual says that the transmissions ideal operating temp is 80C and it goes into limp mode at 132C, once again using my conversion 80C = 190F
and 132C = 294F which is just above your temp of 242F.

I know this is a rough formula so does anyone have a more accurate formula and yes I know there are probably conversion charts out there so I will have to track one down.

Bloody americans, I have the same problem over here when they all use F (see I can't even spell Farenheit) it makes me think its hotter than it is, you would think they use metric for measurement even though it is a bit different, why don't they catch up with the rest of the world and go to C and km/h (Just joking Steve lol!)

Thanks for any info
Stewart
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Follow Up By: Bushtracker - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 19:41

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 19:41
Two points Gentlemen,

If you like your transmission, you do not want to run in the 242 F range, or you will munch your transmission if the oil foams... The concensus of the Forums and Transmission Shops is 220 F is the desired target maximun longterm...

Also on the F targets, just run with the numbers is my advice. The gauges are all in F, this is an American Truck and you might be confusing the issue trying to convert to C. If you add any upgrades with EGT and Engine Temp, and Boost, and Tranny Temp in digital readouts with Platinum Edge Module, it will be in F matching the truck gauges. You might be just confusing the issue for yourself. This is not a Yamagoochi Diwhatsu...
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Follow Up By: Fosssil - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 20:40

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 20:40
Hi Stewart,

Here is a great conversion place " target="EOF" class="lbg">Site Link
I had to find when I was first visiting the American truck sites and needed to convert miles per American gallons to liters per 100 k... ...its free and very comprehensive, and converts anything to anything that's possible....ie, temp, torque,, mass, volume...you get the idea...select the conversion to do near the top of the page...

Don't forget to bookmark it...I have it as one of my permanent tabs on the Firefox browser...just like the Bushtracker forum is a tab, as well as TV progs and a few other daily used web pages.

Regards,
fosss
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Follow Up By: Fosssil - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 20:47

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 20:47
Hmmmm...that site did not come over properly....(put some funny squiggles at the end of the web address)..try this link below and then choose your conversion and that will take you to the page I have bookmarked...I hope ....lol

regards,
fosss

www.convert-me.com/en/
Online conversion of weights and measures, measurement conversion.
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Follow Up By: Fosssil - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 21:16

Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 21:16
Just thought I would mention to not worry about the pay for downloaded version as I dont think it is as good as the online one.... nor worry about all of the links on the website...(he has to pay for the website somehow)...The actual online converters are excellent!!! and from memory the page works when off line.
fosss
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Follow Up By: Paul and Barb - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:11

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:11
Stewart,
I have consulted my "Engineering Bible" an American publication, and they give the following formulas for conversion;

Degrees Fahrenheit = (degrees C x 9) divided by 5, plus 32

Degrees Celsius = (degrees F - 32) x 5, divided by 9

These seem to give the same results as the convert-me site.

Paul.
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Follow Up By: NIK `N` OFF - Thursday, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:54

Thursday, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:54
Fossil and others,

I use this joshmadison.net/software/convert/ download it, it's free, no ads, no pop ups, nothing except an excellent conversion program that sits on my desk top & task bar. Been using it for years.

Cheers
Mick
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Reply By: Kingy - Wednesday, Jan 31, 2007 at 23:11

Wednesday, Jan 31, 2007 at 23:11
Does anyone know what the thread size is for the auto sensor plug that steve posted the link to above...
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Follow Up By: Kingy - Thursday, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:16

Thursday, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:16
Cancel that question. The site with the transmission picture has all the answers..
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