2nd hand BT's

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 00:12
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I have been patiently sitting on the reserve bench waiting for my BT opportunity and it is nearly here (and the crowd cheers - well maybe just me!). I had allways imagined a new van and looking at 2nd hand vans over the last couple years really supported that. Now that my time is near and like so many before me I am out and about looking at 2nd hand vans as a possible cost saving over new. There is no doubt that the landscape has changed a lot over the last year or so with quite a few vans now available.

Recent discussions about electrical issues has prompted this post (suspension issues have contributed as well). I presume that newer vans are less likely to have these issues so my question is - what value do you place on this? The big selling pitch by sellers is that you don't have to wait for production but if this doesn't matter then it really is just a matter of just 2nd price V's new. So far my experience has been that sellers are asking their purchase price and are quoting a new price of $120k as a comparison. My price list (12 months old) suggest that $120k reflect a 21' van with all the bells and wistles and not generally what is being sold.

So do you think it is worth say a $10 saving to buy someone elses van that has done the lap and some.

I am looking for feedback so that I don't waste any more sellers time and I know people will have vested interest in this question and I'm not wanting to upset anyone with this but at this stage it seems there is about $10 "savings" for not having to wait and at least one van I looked at had a very serious water leak which amazed me (in a BT). There are other forms of damage as well and I imagine that the BT factory as busy as it is will not receive me with open arms for repairs.

Kind regards

Theo
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Reply By: Willie - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:30

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:30
Hi Theo ,

I would go for a second hand one and save some money . I bought my 2001 , 16' last year for $62,000 and apart from tired tyres , brakes and suspension (springs ),
it is in really good condition .

You will save a bit more than $10.

Willie .
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Follow Up By:- Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 17:58

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 17:58
Hi Willie,

You know I was talking about you when I referred to suspension problems! I hope it all turns out OK and if it is any concilation I busted a spring hanger on the Tanami in 2005 - got the Honda and inverter welder out fixed then and there. Been following the recent issues with solar also.

Thanks for the advice and I am looking at another this weekend. Leave me some fish and gold I'll be there soon.

Are you still waiting in Kunnunura?

Kind regards

Theo
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Follow Up By: Willie - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 20:59
Theo ,

I got ARB / Traction 4 in Sydney to order me another spring set plus a new set of bump stops . The nylon rocker comes attached to the new springs , so it will all be new now. I had to replace the original springs ( the unbroken ones ) as the van was tilted over at a quite an angle . I think that the new springs , as well as having less sag , might be an uprated version as well - some Bogger might be able to confirm or deny this .

Believe me , my detecting efforts hardly affect the amount of gold in any area I go to . Maybe I should stick to fishing - I'm good at that .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Willie - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 21:01

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 21:01
PS . I am at home in Sydney now . Poor Mrs Hen and her Rooster are stuck in Kununurra .
Willie
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Reply By: Deleted User - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 23:43

Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008 at 23:43
G'day Willie,

Being from the Penrith area originally I have to tell you that your timing for your return to the big smoke is a little out. In case you haven't noticed it is a lot cooler right now compared to the Kimberley! Sooner be broken down in Kununura then back in Sydney this time of year.

Thanks again for your response.

Kind regards

Theo
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Follow Up By: Motherhen & Rooster - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 00:37

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2008 at 00:37
Hi Theo

Our daughter back home is complaining of cold nights, and cold wet days. Raining every day of the week with no end in sight. Good we say - need the rain!

Simplicity Suspensions are not exclusive to Bushtracker, and breakages such as Willie's do happen to others. As for water leaks - no excuses for them not using the right type of hoses throughout, or for loose hose clamps. If you buy second hand, things likes hoses will have been fixed.

Fridges have often been an issue for caravanners. We have just wired ours direct to the battery instead of through the Prostar controller, as recommended by the fridge company. Others have needed to do similar when vans were wired like ours.

A number of vans built in 2001 had the faulty batch of panels. With a 1998 van, we didn't know we had them too. Kyocera have been so cooperative about replacing all 120 w panels.

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Reply By: TripnTaps - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 20:47

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 20:47
Theo,
As a proud and enthusiastic Bushtracker owner for 4 years it is with great reservation that we are presently considering putting our 18ft Bushtracker and our F250 on the market.

I wonder at your reference "about $10 "savings". Every Bushtracker owner I have met has given meticulous preparation to the design and development of their particular Bushtracker. Not accounting for numerous trips to the factory prior and to the completion of their particular van. A great deal of effort is involved in every single unit.

Stating that the savings of buying a second hand van are outweighed by the problems you have been made aware of others encounters should be an advantage to you rather than a broad statement which infers there must be something wrong with just about every second hand van!!! My only suggestion here is maybe looking at one owner vans might produce a better result... as one owner vans have been nutured from the inception by the original owner and like us they have a vested interest in their particular 'pride and joy'
The fact that one van you inspected "had a very serious water leak" is either a maintenance if not a warranty issue - depending on the age and the nature of the leak.

I think you need to consider if the extra $25,000- or so for say a 21ft van current value over one that is about 4 years old is quite a substantial saving but maybe it is worth that amount of money to you to design your very own van and enjoy the anticipation of seeing your design come to fuition.

We have had a fabulous experience with our Bushtracker and it has served our purpose very well and everything works as good as the day we took delivery with NO damage or issues to report just one very satisfied BT customer of a quality product.

Cheers,
Helen
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Reply By: Deleted User - Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 21:23

Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 at 21:23
Hi Helen,

I hope I haven’t offended you – there was always a chance with such a question so my apologies. You make some very good points, we have seen some lovely vans and I was in part testing my information. My savings number is rubbery as I can not possibly know how much people have spent on their van but I was comparing the asking price to a 12 month old price list to come to my conclusion. The layout and inclusions are such a personal thing and it is unlikely that two people will ever like the same layout (I have arguments with the bride regularly about this!) so the question (even if poorly described) was really asking if buying a second hand BT, which will be a compromise, that also has some wear and tear was worth the savings.

At the risk of offending others I feel the need to share some of my experiences from just last weekend. Van 1 was a 21’ van which was about 4/5 years old (have details at home) and the layout would have been OK but there was moisture in the footlocker next to the bed and there was no plumbing nearby so this is coming from outside (fortunately it rained the day before). The asking price exceeded the price of a 20’ van which was in perfect condition and several years younger I had seen the week before (the layout did not suit us). Based on its inclusions it was clearly over priced not mentioning the type of money required to fix the problem. The same weekend we viewed another van and we are still in discussions with this seller but it has significant hail damage which is also not reflected in the price.

I also agree that if I can’t find a suitable 2nd hand van that I would “enjoy” the purchase process in buying new.

It was merely a question as it seemed to me that the asking price has been high and the quoted new price seemed also inflated so I was trying to get my mind around the real savings in going 2nd hand. I haven’t been put off by my experiences and thanks to feedback from this forum I will continue to look.

Kind regards

Theo
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Follow Up By: David & Franki - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:31

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:31
Theo,
We have corresponded but you havent been to see our van yet! You live in Brissy I believe. We are only an hour or so away. You could easily fall in love with our setup. And if you do and you are as persuasive as you are perspicacious, you might convince us to sell it at your valuation!!!
Looking forward to your visit
Franki & David
PS... we are in the process of building a steel shed. In the 2 month period between signing the contract and getting the erection performed there have been 2 steel price rises of 15% EACH
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Reply By: David & Franki - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:41

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:41
Hi Theo,
We have corresponded by email but you havent been to see our van yet! You live in Brissy I believe. We are only an hour or so away. You could easily fall in love with our setup. And if you do and you are as persuasive as you are perspicacious, you might convince us to sell it at your valuation!!!
Looking forward to your visit
Cheers,
Franki & David
PS... we are in the process of building a steel shed. In the 2 month period between signing the contract and getting the erection performed there have been 2 steel price rises of 15% EACH and I believe there is to be another very soon. I should imagine that BT will be affected by these price rises also so new buyers can look forward to steep price rises AND the long wait.
D
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Follow Up By: David & Franki - Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:43

Wednesday, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:43
Sorry, for the additional post...my fingers must be numb...or maybe my brain
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