100 series GVM Upgrade

Submitted: Monday, Apr 19, 2010 at 05:40
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We have a 2004 100 Series Landcruiser which has a payload of only 605 kg and this has to include the ball weight of the van. We have a bullbar and drawers and by the time we added our weight, recovery gear, water, fridge and tools etc and then the towball weight we were over the limit.

Actually it is a very interesting exercise to do the figures - 300 for the towball weight, 150 for the passenger and the driver - that leaves you with only 150 for all your gear (and if you're travelling in the outback you need more than just a change of clothes!!!) plus all the non-standard accessories such as bullbar, winch, roof rack, drawers, heavy duty tyres etc.

For us it was either a GVM upgrade or we had to get a new vehicle.

After several months of searching in Victoria for an engineer who would give us this upgrade, Bob was ready to give up.

As a last resort we contacted Alltrac 4WD in Adelaide; what a surprise - Peter, the owner was most encouraging and said 'no problems'. He gave us the contact details of several people in Victoria, but once again we ran into brick walls ..... we kept getting told it was not possible.

In desperation I rang Alltrac again and Peter said that it could be done from SA as the Engineer that he used was certified for Vic Roads.

So, last month we drove 900 kms to Adelaide to have the vehicle inspected etc. No extra work needed to be done, so it was simply a matter of waiting for the engineeer to complete the paperwork and plates.

These arrived earlier this week and Vic Roads gave us the thumbs up yesterday!!!!

We now have a GVM of 3500 (originally 3260). We cannot take any more gear as our GCM is still 6760 ... but now we have peace of mind as we are legal.

Wendy
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Reply By: 11-UPS - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:06

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:06
Wendy

I would be interested in what he charged as my friend in Vic was contemplating getting it done

Darrell
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Follow Up By: galacticbob - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:20

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:20
Darrell

$590 - this was the all up cost (engineer + Alltrac). Our local ARB had already advised us on what springs etc we needed to tow a 3500 kg can, so we did not have to get any extra work done on the vehicle.

Note that the figures quoted in out post are for a 2004 model. The payload for other models are different.

Bob
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Reply By: surfy53 - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:38

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 00:38
Hi Wendy, is the weight of fuel included in the GVM, because with the tare weight of the van water weight is not included.
Also, the payload of the tug is not included as a part of the weight you haul.
Is this right?

Chris.
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Follow Up By: galacticbob - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 05:23

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 05:23
Hi Chris

Yes, the weight of the fuel is included in the GVM - it is part of the kerb weight.
GVM = kerb weight + payload.
However, note that if you have non standard fuel tanks then the fuel and the tank are part of the pay load.
With our vehicle the tow ball weight is also part of the payload. We found this information in the vehicle manual, but it took a lot of reading to find it. Other vehicles may be different - I don't know.

Not too sure what you mean by 'the payload of the tug', but if you are referring to the tow vehicle, then no, the payload of the vehicle is not included as part of the weight you haul.

I found the following websites to be most helpful in understanding vehicle and van weights
Simple explanation of GVM, ATM etc

Kerb weight defined

Hope this helps. It took me a long time to get my head around all the terminology and Bob still struggles with it at times.

Wendy
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Reply By: Mobi Condo - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:05

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 04:05
They are excellent value @ Alltrac.
Did our 80 series Poverty Pack for $480 approx.
We knew they would go to the tyre placard GVM of 3350 Kg from the VIN GVM of 2960Kg, but not being an engineer Transport SA (Regency Park) would not accept our configuration, but of course would from a qualified engineer.
Good to hear.
Cheers - Ian & Sally
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Reply By: surfy53 - Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 18:11

Friday, Apr 23, 2010 at 18:11
By the sounds of it you guys are beefing up your suspension so you can have a larger payload, is this right. So in total you will end up with a larger total weight with 4wd and BT.
Chris.
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Follow Up By: galacticbob - Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 07:24

Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 07:24
Chris

Our total combined weight will not change (max 6760)

Roughly

Car 3200 plus towball 300
=3500

Van 3500 less towball 300
=3200

6700 all up

All we have done is increased the "allowed payload" of the car
so that when we hitch to the van, the GVM of the vehicle is under the allowed maximum.

It appears as if the fact that towball weight has to be included in the GVM of the vechicle is very confusing to some people - including myself.

From my understanding the payload of the 205 model is slightly better than the 204

PS...... This is my understanding and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected

Bob
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Follow Up By: surfy53 - Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 22:05

Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 22:05
Thanks Bob, yes it can get very confusing.
C.
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Follow Up By: Pixellator - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 03:32

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 03:32
I've searched the Toyota Owners Manual but can't find the weight/loading specifications.
Any help?
BobH
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Follow Up By: galacticbob - Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:55

Sunday, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:55
Hi Bob
I could not find a weight/loading specifications table, but I did find the relevant weight information in an obscure place under Trailer towing in the Section called Starting and Driving.

Wendy
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Reply By: ReisH - Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:33

Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:33
I have a LC200 ARB told me i have to get it weighed, should be lite as possible.
Then get the new shocks and springs fitted.
Is this true?
ARB have found only 1 engineer in Victoria that will sign off on a GVM upgrade
Regards Reis
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Follow Up By: galacticbob - Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:57

Saturday, Apr 24, 2010 at 06:57
Reis

To my understanding it is much easier for a 200 LC upgrade in Vic.

If I am correct the Engineer you are possibly talking about worked in conjunction with toyota and ARB.

If we were to do it again I would be talking to the engineer first before having any work carried out.

Bob
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