Weigh Stations

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 17:41
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On the Caravaners Forum a thread is running about whether you have been weighed towing, and when you have to stop at a weigh station.

http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13316&p=192221#p192221

Bushtracker owners are one group that when towing may well have a GCM in excess of either 4.5 or 8T; and a GVM in excess of 4.5T.

I know I definitely will with the F450!

TARE: 3437kg
GVM: 7484kg
GCM: 11793kg
Payload: 4047kg

Those towing BTs at the 4.4kg + their F250, 350, and 450s, do you stop at the weigh stations?
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Reply By: F Troop - Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 19:00

Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 19:00
What weigh station's ?
I close my eys every time my wife see's the above mentioned location's
She reads the signs and tells me they say 8t gvm (not me I think) so back to the first line.
Graham
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Reply By: Luvntravln - Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 19:54

Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 19:54
Directed to this from the NSW RTA website; I would assume that the same in all states:

8. How do I know if I have to enter a Heavy Vehicle Checking Station?

All vehicles with a GVM or a gross combination mass (GCM) greater than 8 tonnes must enter a Heavy Vehicle Checking Station (signposted OPEN). Some Checking Stations require vehicles with a GVM or GCM greater that 4.5 tonne, and vehicles must enter these sites. Drivers who fail to enter may be fined.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles/general/hvcs_faqs.html#_Toc188445910
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Follow Up By: Noosa Fox - Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 21:45

Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 21:45
Jay,

What is the GVM of your new Ford F450 going to be? Us F250 and Chevy owners don't have a GVM of 8 tonnes so we don't have to worry.

Graham,
You will have to get Jan an iPad to play games on and then she won't be annoying you while you are driving telling you about signs that you are not interested in.


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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 22:13

Thursday, Jan 06, 2011 at 22:13
Brian, for you the problem is not GVM; it is GCM!

If your F250 is 4T+ and your BT is 4T+ you have a GCM of 8T+ and technically you are supposed to stop.

I never have, apparently incorrectly, with the F250.

F450:

TARE: 3437kg
GVM: 7484kg
GCM: 11793kg
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Follow Up By: F Troop - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 02:07

Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 02:07
Top idea Brian, I'm on ebay as we type. LOL
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Reply By: Silver and Tinks - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 06:06

Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 06:06
HI Guys

My 2005 dual cab weighs 3157
20 foot BT 2783


So we do not have to go in. When you go in with your caravan be prepared to be waved away what we have are not trucks.


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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 06:27

Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 06:27
Scott, he says tongue in cheek, the F250 is a toy (hehehe) compared to a Cab Chassis F450!

Even Ford describes the Cab Chassis as a "truck" and the F-series with a tray as a "pickup".
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Reply By: Silver and Tinks - Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 22:59

Friday, Jan 07, 2011 at 22:59
Jay

From the numbers you have stated a 450 is less than 300 kg heavier than a 250.

If you are always required to go into weigh stations then you better get your log books for checking.

Scott
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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 04:48

Saturday, Jan 08, 2011 at 04:48
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/heavyvehicles ... s.html#009
What type of vehicles do the new regulations apply to?
The driver fatigue regulations apply to:
* Heavy trucks - with a Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) of over 12 tonnes or truck and trailer combinations, if the combined GVM is over 12 tonnes.

All drivers of a regulated heavy vehicle are required to carry and complete a work diary unless operating under an exemption.

I do not believe I am a "regulated" heavy vehicle; if anyone has different information I would appreciate being advised.

What is the TARE of your F250?

My information is that the TARE of the F250 is 2800kg; F450 is 3437.
http://www.new-cars.com/2004/ford/ford-f250-f350-specs.html

Nevertheless, the payload is what it is all about.
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Reply By: Wilmo7 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 02:23

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 02:23
Don't worry so much about the weighing stations.
Last year in Sep/Oct the scalies in Qld spent a week in Roma, a week in Dalby, a week in Mitchell and 2 weeks in Charleville and pulled up ALL vehicles especially utes and vans and weighed them with their portable scales. There were even stories of them driving around Charleville pulling up vans in the streets and weighing them.
True or false, they have panicked me and I have just had Absolute Trailer Solutions in Warwick install a 3 1/2 tonne suspension conversion on my BT as no matter how much I shelve from the van, minimum requirements leave me over 3 tonne. I am having trouble believing that the tare of 2400kgs on the vin plate included all the optional extras such as fridge, stove and solar panels as BT said it did.
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Follow Up By: But n ben - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:34

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:34
Hi Wilmo7 I am having the same problem as you, with my 18ft BT, in trying to keep under 3.0T. It is difficult, and this without filling all water tanks.
I am also interested in a suspension upgrade, so could you tell me how much ATS of Warwick charged you for your conversion, and how long they took to complete the job?
My TARE is 2380kgs, and even though I have cut the wine rack in half, I am more often just over 3.0T, than under.
Thanks, Don.
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Reply By: Boystoy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 08:41

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 08:41
Hey Jay!!

I thought you were a "retired" lawyer

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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 17:22

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2011 at 17:22
????????????

:-)
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Reply By: Silver Fox - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 00:29

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 00:29
I went through the total closure around Tambo,Qld last June. Trucks of all sizes stopped and throughly checked. Every vehicle's driver was breath tested. That's all that i experienced. They were mainly only interested in truck loads and the mechanical condition of them plus the drivers who partake of refreshments to inappropriate levels. There were "scallies" and police by the dozen. We had heard the truckies on UHF going nuts for ages before we were stopped. Apparently all side roads were blocked as well. That was a hot topic too. Funny experience actually. I had weighed my rig @ Rocklea public w'bridge (as I departed as usual for a trip) and had drunk some beer and consumed some food but still would have been ok anyway. UHF is very useful for these communications. cheers.
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Reply By: Jeff&Narelle@Alice - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:47

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:47
G'day Jay
One thing to be aware of when driving a Light Riged vehicle is that the Alcahole limit is different in different states. NT is the same as a car (.05). Some states are zero. Check it out, one drink with lunch could cost you your licence.
Regards
Jeff
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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:50

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:50
Thanks, for me it is not a problem; I hardly drink anymore. I anticipate zero tolerance at all times, and with the new licenses Jackie will enjoy and I will drive.
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Reply By: Wilmo7 - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:56

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:56
To But n Ben
ATS charged $5,500 drive in drive out and 2 days in the workshop. They did a very good job (according to me). Remember that $500 of that cost is GST! We camped at the Harts caravan park near there (not the greatest park but so what). We arrived on Wed afternoon, took a unit for 3 nights ($85 per night), We unpacked into the unit what we needed (food clothing brandy etc), took the van up on Thu, picked it up on Friday afternoon and repacked it from the unit on Sat.
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Follow Up By: Luvntravln - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:58

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:58
Did you mean to post this in response to this Weigh Station thread?
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Reply By: Wilmo7 - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 03:01

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2011 at 03:01
Sorry! PS!
We had contacted BT about the job but they couldn't fit us in for quite a while. The only problem with using ATS is that they cannot issue a Vin plate so we have to take the van to BT and they will inspect it and issue a new plate plus paper work for the rego and have quoted me $60 for the privilege. Currently we got as far as Toowoomba, just getting out of Warwick in time and will now be here for quite a while as evidenced by the news.
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