LED replacement for old style lights

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After failing to make the "SEARCH" work I have made this post which I am sure must have been covered many times before . But alas ..............

I have a 2001 BT with the old style globes. Is it possible to purchase LED globes that will fit the brake lights etc or must I buy entire light units ?

Thanks,

Willie.

PS Has anybody fitted an aftermarket fold out table to the outside of their BT ?
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Reply By: Gone Bush - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 09:26

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 09:26
Willie,

these tables, http://www.nomadicsolutions.com.au/ , which are the ones BT use, are easy to fit. Especially if you choose not to straddle the black rubbing strip.

I fitted one to a previous van. Easy.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:43

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:43
Stephen,
They look good but I notice on your blog that you did not fit one to the BT but made your own. How come ?
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:54

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:54
Yes, that's right Willie.

Initially I thought that one of those tables would have to go above or below the black rubber strip and would not be at the right height for me.

I've since revised that, and if I was doing it again, I would put in two of those tables: one above and one below. One for standing, one for sitting.

But since I already have that other table you saw on my blog, I'll stick with it.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:41

Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:41
Hey Stephen,

I noticed your map on the blog with all the places you have been. Could you please tell me how you did this ?

Thanks

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush - Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:49

Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:49
No probs Willie,

I have that map on my computer. I open it in Microsoft Paint which allows me to draw those red lines over roads we have travelled. Unfortunately the map left Tasmania cut off, but I haven't been there yet and I'll have to deal with that later.

If you send me a Member Message with your email address I'll send it to you with more comprehensive instructions.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush - Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:56

Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:56
Actually, I have your email address from earlier discussions and have sent the map and instructions.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:58

Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 00:58
Great thanks.
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Reply By: NIK `N` OFF - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11
Re globes, yes you can buy the required globes. I cannot direct you to a seller but a search for led globes or visit a 12v shop. We have a guy that sells all style of LED globes / lights at a local market.
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Follow Up By: Willie - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:42

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:42
Thanks for your input.
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Reply By: SMICK - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 18:55

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 18:55
JAYCAR sell replacement LED globes
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Follow Up By: Willie - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:41

Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 23:41
Thanks Mick. I will get the bulbs off the van and make a trip down to Jaycar.
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Reply By: cadent - Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 23:26

Thursday, Nov 21, 2013 at 23:26
LED tail and clearance lights are available at reasonable these days.
I have been down the route of just replacing bulbs/feestons with LED replacements within the existing lamp fixture and lens.

Last week I upgraded all external lights to LED replacement lamps on my 2002 Bushtracker.

The tail lights were from here...
!http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LED-Autolamps-Jumbo-Combination-Lamp-J3BARRM-x2-pair-/301005343988?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4615510cf4!

and the side/clearance lights here.. 
http://www.ledonline.com.auindex.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=375&category_id=11&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Took a few hours. ..particulary cleaning off the old silicon...but a great result in the end.

I went for the 110mm long and 50 wide to cover the originals, less holes, less cleaning up silicon etc. I also did the same in reds for rear and white for front. No more festoon bulbs, dust, vibration, moisture etc
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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:18

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:18
Cadent - thanks a heap for getting back to me with this info.

"I have been down the route of just replacing bulbs/feestons with LED replacements within the existing lamp fixture and lens."
- And this was unsuccessful ?

I could not make your side/clearance lights address work.

My van is away being modified at present, so I cannot measure the size of the original lights. When it comes back, I will place an order.

It may be a dumb question, but why did you order in two places and not all from the ledonline shop ?

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Follow Up By: cadent - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:25

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:25
Hi Willie..sorry if the address is not right..am doing this all by phone as we are away cruising down the Darling to SA for a few weeks.
Go to LEDonline and have a look for the 110mm side clearance lights. They are the recommended ones to replace whats on early BT's..being 110x50mm approximately.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 08:14

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 08:14
Thanks Andrew.

Are you cruising in a paddle steamer or in a Bushtracker ?

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Reply By: Pam and Les - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 18:35

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 18:35
Willie. Some cars do not like LED trailer/van globes. Just make sure your car is OK with them. My previous car, VW, required a "black box" to be installed. It had a can-bus electrical system and my understanding is the LED globes have a lower resistance so the vehicle thinks they are not there or blown.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 18:55

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 18:55
Ahhhhh.... Good info Les. I should give them a try before I shell out hundreds of bucks for the new fittings. I will buy one globe and check it out.

Thanks a lot,

Willis
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Follow Up By: Toyman - Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 23:30

Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 23:30
Les,
That can certainly occur with your Vehicle lighting system, but I'm sure does not apply to the Van as trailer wiring is a separate system.
Also most LED replacement globes for vehicles these days are Canbus ready.
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Follow Up By: braggy - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 03:53

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 03:53
Check Willie

The Euro cars atleast, do need resistance in the van blinker circuits as Les said.

The canbus uses it to disconnect rear park sensors, activate tow assist (L.R),and alter gear changers.

Cheers Ken
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Follow Up By: Willie - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 04:37

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 04:37
OK Ken. I will put one led bulb in a brake light and see if I get any problems.
Thanks
Willie
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Follow Up By: Toyman - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 04:41

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 04:41
Ken,
Be interested in how it then operates when a van is not connected as this would show as being open circuit.Is there some special plug that goes in the socket?
Adding the van would increase resistance, would it not?

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Follow Up By: braggy - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 05:36

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 05:36
John.

Yeah, it increases resistance, but not enough from LEDs.
The black box Les mentions, is just a series connection on the blinker circuits,to the van, that can just be plugged in line with the van plug.

It is only the blinker circuits (in Landies ), so LEDs would be OK everywhere else.

The cars send a signal to check for load, just the same as your brake controller knows when its plugged in.

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Follow Up By: Toyman - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 06:36

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 06:36
Hi Ken,
I know it can be a problem if you change globes in the Vehicle.Plenty of info on the LCool Forum about that.
So, Ok I'm part way to understanding.
With no Van connected the resistance is such that the car is happy, and from my understanding it is a drop in resistance that causes the problem.
Add the Van and even if the LED's have absolutely no resistance (and they must have some) it causes a problem?

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Follow Up By: braggy - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 08:07

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 08:07
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Reply By: Willie - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 17:28

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 17:28
So, has anybody with a 200 Series Toyota, upgraded their van brake lights to LED ? Any problems ?
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Follow Up By: Bow & Nan - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 17:39

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 17:39
Yes and no.
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Follow Up By: Willie - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 18:05

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 18:05
Thanks Greg.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 19:29

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 19:29
My van came with LED tail lights. My Cruisers have both had the factory towing loom installed. No problems in both cases.

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 20:35

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 20:35
Willie, there shouldn't be any issues. LEDs use less current so all the existing wiring will cope very well.

Going the other way, from LEDs back to incandescant, is where problems can occur because the old style bulbs would require more current than the thin wiring associated with LEDs can handle. That's where the wiring could overheat.

But fitting LEDs to a system that has wiring large enough for incandescant bulbs is OK.

In the first release of the 200 Series, their wiring loom was designed for LEDs, and people towing vans with incandescant bulbs were having problems with the loom. Toyota revised the wiring size in the loom to accommodate the higher current draw of older bulbs and all is OK.

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Reply By: Willie - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 21:32

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 21:32
Thanks Stephen.

Just got home from celebrating our 34th wedding anniversary in the city. Our overnight hotel had a TV in the enclosure of the shower wall. If the cricket had started it could have been a long shower.

I'm thinking I must have this set-up in the BT !

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Follow Up By: Turist - Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 23:34

Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 23:34
Those TV's are sometimes 2 way Willie.
You might be on Youtube or Facebook by now.

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Follow Up By: Willie - Sunday, Nov 24, 2013 at 02:13

Sunday, Nov 24, 2013 at 02:13
Bob, I pity the poor buggers who watch it !

When I go to the beach, people are always throwing buckets of water over me and trying to roll me back into the water !
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